tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6600594361812328513.post8114388842631972811..comments2023-10-17T20:50:15.495-07:00Comments on Groupname for Grapejuice: The Ship of the Sun is Drawn 1znorehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09870745426523284218noreply@blogger.comBlogger25125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6600594361812328513.post-9408869654772052052019-02-24T20:43:03.406-08:002019-02-24T20:43:03.406-08:00Since Lenin coined the concept of 'controlled ...Since Lenin coined the concept of 'controlled opposition', ( "The best way to control the opposition is to lead it ourselves." ~ Vladimir Lenin.) any voice raised in opposition to deep state agendae are assumed to be controlled by the deep state. <br />Miles Mathis tops Jan Irvin anyday for sheer collossal arrogance and 'the fix is in' certitude. WHy bother bitching about your crap wages, Jan? The fix is in. They got us all by the short and curlies and none of it means anything. They'll just flatten you like a cat on the freeway.Paul v. Hindenburghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07182265371857446325noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6600594361812328513.post-18812723471300876762017-10-12T12:28:15.850-07:002017-10-12T12:28:15.850-07:00Steve is that you? How long have you really known ...Steve is that you? How long have you really known Jan Irvin? And how long have you listened to him before contacting him? How much money have you given him Mr. Cocophany Society?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16942101017376681149noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6600594361812328513.post-54719476526685378992016-08-29T19:28:44.238-07:002016-08-29T19:28:44.238-07:00Hiện nay trên thị trường, có rất nhiều của hàng bá...Hiện nay trên thị trường, có rất nhiều của hàng bán xe gắn máy cũ. Vậy <a href="http://muahangamazon.net/co-nen-mua-xe-may-cu-khong.html" rel="nofollow">Có nên mua xe máy cũ không</a>. Rolex một trong trong những thương hiệu đồng hồ cao cấp nổi tiếng thế giới. Hãy cùng cùng tìm hiểu <a href="http://hangcaocap.org/p/dong-ho-rolex-chinh-hang-thuy-si-gia-bao-nhieu.html" rel="nofollow">Đồng hồ rolex giá bao nhiêu</a> tiền và nên mua ở đâu tốt nhất. Cùng với chuyên mục này, hãy cùng tham khảo <a href="http://hangcaocap.org/p/dong-ho-cao-cap-michael-kors-cua-nuoc-nao-co-tot-khong.html" rel="nofollow">đồng hồ michael kors của nước nào</a>.<br />Đến dự đám ma (tang) của người thân hay quen biết cũng cần phải nghiêm túc, biểu lộ cảm xúc đau buồn cùng với gia đình, và lòng thành kính đối với người đã khuất <a href="http://thuocbonao.com.vn/di-dam-ma-nen-mac-do-gi-mau-gi.html" rel="nofollow">Đi đám ma nên mặc đồ gì</a>. Phụ nữ khi mang thai thì quá trình ăn uống hằng ngày rất quan trọng và cần đặt biệt quan tâm. Để sức khỏe của người mẹ và thai nhi được khỏe mạnh. Vậy <a href="http://suckhoebabau.vn/ba-bau-nhieu-xoi-co-tot-khong.html" rel="nofollow">Bà bầu ăn nhiều xôi có tốt không</a>. Hiện nay, có rất nhiều câu hỏi của bạn đọc thắc mắc rằng: <a href="http://thuocgiaidocgan.net/co-nen-yeu-nguoi-dan-ong-da-co-vo-khong.html" rel="nofollow">Có nên yêu người đàn ông đã có vợ không</a>Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17683321954772020799noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6600594361812328513.post-83691534741937392662016-01-17T15:21:37.307-08:002016-01-17T15:21:37.307-08:00This gives a coherent narrative of what really wen...This gives a coherent narrative of what really went on. Still don't know if Mckenna and Kesey were fully aware of what the government was doing and in on it or were ignorant dupes. But it does explain what the CIA was really up to.<br />https://www.lewrockwell.com/2001/04/michael-e-kreca/how-the-us-government-created-the-drug-problem-in-the-usa/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6600594361812328513.post-81434794316095762292014-12-20T08:58:59.246-08:002014-12-20T08:58:59.246-08:001 Corinthians 10:16 The cup of blessing which we...1 Corinthians 10:16 The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? The bread(psilocybin mushrooms) which we break, is it not the communion of the body of Christ?<br /><br /> 2 Corinthians 6:14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?<br /><br /> 2 Corinthians 13:14 The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Ghost, be with you all. AmenAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6600594361812328513.post-48423473320611046732014-12-20T08:51:13.236-08:002014-12-20T08:51:13.236-08:00God wants us to eat psilocybread mushrooms daily/c... God wants us to eat psilocybread mushrooms daily/continually/always....xMatthew 6:11 Give us this day our daily bread. <br /> Luke 11:3 Give us day by day our daily bread.<br />x2 Chronicles 2:4 Behold, I build an house to the name of the LORD my God, to dedicate it to him, and to burn before him sweet incense, and for the continual shewbread, and for the burnt offerings morning and evening, on the sabbaths, and on the new moons, and on the solemn feasts of the LORD our God. This is an ordinance for ever to Israel.<br />x Numbers 4:7 And upon the table of shewbread they shall spread a cloth of blue, and put thereon the dishes, and the spoons, and the bowls, and covers to cover withal: and the continual bread shall be thereon:<br />x 2 Samuel 9:7 And David said unto him, Fear not: for I will surely shew thee kindness for Jonathan thy father's sake, and will restore thee all the land of Saul thy father; and thou shalt eat bread at my table continually<br />Exodus 25:30 And thou shalt set upon the table shewbread before me always<br />MushLoveDaily/Continually/Always!!<br />http://youtu.be/FuOkThzvP54Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6600594361812328513.post-31998832103330258082014-12-20T08:44:22.199-08:002014-12-20T08:44:22.199-08:00It was Jesus at the last supper saying "Take ... It was Jesus at the last supper saying "Take Eat. Do this in remembrance of me" as he took the psilocybread mushroom/Holy manna and gave thanks to God and ate it(1cor11:23-27). And before Jesus was Moses who said "This is the psilocybread/Holy manna that the Lord has given us to eat(Exodus 16:15) Yes Jesus and Moses were indeed partaking/promoting psilocybin mushrooms as a means to access God's Holy Presence. Psilocybin is the communion sacrament/the communication prayer sacrament that is eaten to access the Holy Presence of God/God's Holy voice in a spiritual place that the bible refers to as heaven. Heaven is the location of God's Presence that can only be accessed through the psilocybin mushrooms. Heaven is not a place we go when we die a physical death. Heaven is a place we go when we eat psilocybin mushrooms and get launched into God's Holy Presence. <br />Jesus taught us how to pray GIVE US THIS DAY OUR DAILY PSILOCYBREAD. The last supper prayer sacrament is indeed prayer bread. It is the bread that Jesus broke at the last supper when he said TAKE EAT DO THIS IN REMEMBRANCE OF ME(1cor23-27), This bread is described in great detail in Exodus chapter 16 as being small and round and appearing on the face of the wilderness when the morning dew lifts. The KJV is the most original/authentic English bible that we can study that reveals most accurately the psilocybread moooshroom. In Ezekiel chapter 4:15-17 it indicates that the Holy communion prayer bread is to be prepared in cowdung. Psilocybin mushrooms are the only visionary mushrooms that grow in cowdung. There is absolute proof in the KJV bible that the manna or bread or God is indeed psilocybin mushrooms. I don't want you to simply believe me. I want you and everyone else to do the research themselves. God's Holy garden contains Holy prayer bread mushrooms that he created for us to access his Holy Presence so that we could pray directly to him so that our prayers can actually be heard and answered. If we are not in His Presence when we pray then our prayers will not be heard or answered but if we are in His Presence he will hear us and we will hear him and he will indeed answer our prayers. We must have the prayer/communion/communication sacrament to access his Holy Presence and to dine and communicate with Him. This is what is wrong with modern day Christianity. People don't understand how to pray. We must have the communion prayer sacrament in order to have a direct link to God's Presence. Look up SHEWBREAD on an online bible dictionary. It means BREAD OF PRESENCE. SHEWBREAD=Psilocybread=Holy Manna = Prayer bread sacrament. Christ offers us his love and his forgiveness but he does ask of us to eat Holy bread in remembrance of Him.x 1 Corinthians 11:23 For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread:<br /> x1 Corinthians 11:24 And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.<br />xExodus 16:14 And when the dew that lay was gone up(time of day), behold, upon the face of the wilderness(location) there lay a small(size) round(shape) thing....<br /> xExodus 16:15 And when the children of Israel saw it, they said one to another, It is manna: for they wist not what it was. And Moses said unto them, This is the bread which the LORD hath given you to eat.<br />x Ezekiel 4:15 Then he said unto me, Lo, I have given thee cow's dung for man's dung, and thou shalt prepare thy bread therewith.<br />xThere is only one small round thing that appears in cow dung on the face of the wilderness when the morning dew lifts. It is the psilocybin mushroom. Psilocybin mushrooms are the only visionary mushrooms that grow in cow's dung.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6600594361812328513.post-76293424527482477132014-12-19T19:58:26.162-08:002014-12-19T19:58:26.162-08:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6600594361812328513.post-24842456019309885312014-12-19T19:50:26.807-08:002014-12-19T19:50:26.807-08:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6600594361812328513.post-18748067269718496572014-10-07T10:51:08.480-07:002014-10-07T10:51:08.480-07:00follow the money, and you will find the conspiracy...follow the money, and you will find the conspiracy. No theories required.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6600594361812328513.post-26554005523682070442014-10-06T13:53:37.628-07:002014-10-06T13:53:37.628-07:00Thanks for this interesting post. I too have trie...Thanks for this interesting post. I too have tried to engage Jan on the subject and was met with explosive anger in response to what I thought were reasonable questions.. He kept telling me that my "religious leader" TMK was up to that sneaky business... If he only knew. I can't help but pay attention to his wild-ass theories though! Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6600594361812328513.post-65705279196802498712014-09-09T21:52:43.393-07:002014-09-09T21:52:43.393-07:00Couple of supplementary posts on this
http://char...Couple of supplementary posts on this<br /><br />http://charlesfrith.blogspot.com/2013/09/jay-weidner-talks-about-terence.html<br /><br />http://charlesfrith.blogspot.com/2013/08/what-sort-of-chap-is-jan-irving-of.htmlCharles Edward Frithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09231685619963486690noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6600594361812328513.post-87881696312455544232014-08-28T22:48:30.310-07:002014-08-28T22:48:30.310-07:00I used to defend Jan quite a bit, but when his sel...I used to defend Jan quite a bit, but when his self contradictory behavior was turned in my actual direction, I had to quit on him. Under a video where he discusses how you should not get too emotional, how you should always cooly and calmly assess all the data, etc., he just started spewing hate, bigotry and intolerance at me on this ridiculous level just because I was nicely trying to discuss a few things. He acts like his brain is short circuited, and if it's true he did as many shrooms as he claims he did, then maybe his brain really is fried. He does treat the trivium like how an ex meth addict turned christian treats "the lord." And now he's attracting equally obnoxious and arrogant materialist/logical positivist types who love nothing more than to slam things with "witty" commentary. Jan loves to snark with them at people who are simply trying to bring up points of research that might be at the very least worth looking at. But no. Jan goes against practically every single thing he lays out in his own ideology and method of "collecting and assessing information." Say one thing, do another. Why? Well because he can. He's special. He can get away with literally everything he says you shouldn't be able to get away with, and he's so far up his own rear end in this way that it's hard to find a place to start in rebutting anything... because you're just so, in a way, lost. You can't believe the sheer level of contradiction in behavior you're witnessing in this person, while at the same time another part of you wants to actually "engage" them and make your point. <br /><br />He's actively censoring my input in the discussion where he was blowing up on me, so now I'm done with the guy. I used to defend him, but now I'm done. He's long disappeared up his own contradictory ass, and the dead eyed tough guy can rot there.~https://www.blogger.com/profile/13498386370667720039noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6600594361812328513.post-52445682334454351912014-08-26T02:46:29.099-07:002014-08-26T02:46:29.099-07:00I hear you and I've thought this myself. I'...I hear you and I've thought this myself. I'm hesitant to make this conclusion, though. Even if he isn't an agent actively he could be one unwittingly. So might I! It's really difficult to make this call and it's interesting that it's a judgement that JI applies to others all of the time.znorehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09870745426523284218noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6600594361812328513.post-40947073437306619702014-08-21T10:32:33.249-07:002014-08-21T10:32:33.249-07:00Jan Irvin is (or comes across as) quite possibly a...Jan Irvin is (or comes across as) quite possibly an Agent Provocateur, working for the DEA or related agencies in the "Intelligence Community". If he is, he is doing his job well by sowing paranoia, suspicion, and turmoil. Well played! <br /><br />He goes after dead people, who are well known not able to defend themselves. That in itself is pretty sad. Gwyllmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13764678495624664023noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6600594361812328513.post-52933642099691938662014-05-24T11:06:58.072-07:002014-05-24T11:06:58.072-07:00The film "Omega Man" provides a nice ima...The film "Omega Man" provides a nice image of Woodstock as Irvin, which in turn presents the difficulty of the superficial interpretation. When Heston's "Omega Man" sparks up a generator in an abandon theater to watch the epic "Woodstock" movie, he seems to be looking back at a point in history that marks the beginning-of-the-end of so-called Civilization. At the same time, the Omega Man is himself a symbol of the failure of the capital and democratic version Civilization.<br /><br />This pairing seems to be a paradox but it is not. Woodstock may appear to represent a socially destructive trend, but in fact is a cypher for the primordial stew from which human reality emerges. The same applies for the Omega Man. The character stands in for the complete failure of the post-industrial human complex, and yet serves well as a rejuvenator of the same.<br /><br />Out of this come the cyclical proclamations of Marxism--a cycle driven by the promise of upcoming torment. But the Marxist cycle too is a parody of its own modelling, because as sure as the Marxist model keeps on "revolving", few notice that the wheel is not touching the ground.<br /><br />Thus, at least to me, Irvin becomes an entertainer rather than a philosopher. Corbett is the much better philosopher... but philosophy is a consolation. The resounding truth that "no one knows whats going on" is kind of like a Lynch movie, and this type of transcendental observation does not provide the meat and potato deep down fill you up goodness desired by folks who actually desire to see "the good guys win". <br /><br />The sort of theater that galvanizes the everyday emotions is driven by the desire for the vindication of its audience. Justice is what people think they want, and Irvin delivers the trumped up narrative as required.<br /><br />Contrarily, Truth does not vindicate, but implicates to the into formless depths of dharma. <br /><br />People DO NOT want the Truth, so in the spirit of a top entertainer, Irvin delivers. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6600594361812328513.post-86350549976472061352014-04-11T17:35:52.302-07:002014-04-11T17:35:52.302-07:00Thanks for the critique, Jasun. A lot to mull over...Thanks for the critique, Jasun. A lot to mull over.<br /><br /><br />Keep in mind that my questions in the article are not (merely) sarcastic/rhetorical. I'm genuinely fishing for answers. You came up with a theory, a variation on the old conspiracist "Hegelian dialectic" shibboleth, and I appreciate that. Here's another version: the design from the get-go was to divide the U.S. along Culture War lines. Each side was prodded and provoked to completely despise the other. This has continued to the present day and virtually ensures that a Civil War can be very easily sparked off to prevent a situation where the people unite and truly start to rise up against their masters.<br /><br />Such theories can be multiplied endlessly, especially if we are convinced that we are dealing with a purported "chess master." He literally could have anything up his sleeves, and while we might be looking two moves ahead he already knows the endgame. I understand that. Please do not think I'm overlooking that.<br /><br />But wouldn't another strategy of the "chess master" be to project an image of his invincibility, even if it was only a projection? If the "master's" opponent was convinced that he was essentially doomed from the start the chances of that opponent fumbling is much higher. Instead of sticking with strategies that had worked very effectively in the past, the opponent, thinking that the "master" had seen through these schemes from the outset, would resort to moves that he was not at all confident about. Or the "chess master" might trick the opponent into thinking that he had no real options left, that it was better to give up now instead of prolonging his eventual demise, even though the opponent was actually in a pretty good position to win.<br /><br />This is basically the tactic that HAL successfully deploys in 2001. Frank is so convinced of HAL's inherent superiority that he gives up before realizing that HAL is cheating.<br /><br />So this is what I'm exploring. Why is it that Rockefeller-funded organizations like the John Birchers are the ones that refashioned the old Illuminati conspiracy theory for our time? Again, another genuine question. It seems, more and more, that the purpose of "conspiracy theory" is to hoodwink people into thinking that all forms of resistance -- political organization, alternative lifestyles, individual creativity, art movements, mystical experience, even psychedelic exploration -- were actually manufactured by the omnipotent ELITE. Is it not reasonable to suggest that this could all be bunkum? That the whole "revelation of the method" is a trick to make us lay down the best weapons at our service, and to distrust and ridicule others that still use them?<br /><br />Whatever the validity of Irvin's theories, then, I think this other possibility must also be taken into account. It would certainly also be easy to make the case that Irvin himself, unwittingly or not, is being used by TPTB to get us to disempower ourselves. Forget psychedelics, forget visionary experience, ignore visionary writers and artists of the past, don't bother to explore your own imagination. All of this has been co-opted, planned and manipulated for centuries before we were born.<br /><br />And maybe all of this is true. I certainly don't rule it out. I also don't rule out that McKenna was literally recruited by whatever intelligence lies behind the Mushroom. I was serious about this. The conspiracies, benign and malign and neither, are in all probability way more complex than anything speculated upon here. I actually thought Dennis' comment that his brother's Timewave and Irvin's megaconspiracy theory were very similar is highly profound in this regard.<br /><br />You wrote: "...the alternative is to try and understand and convey every nuance and intricacy, which would require the sort of wisdom that not even the manipulators themselves possess (as individuals at least)." This is exactly the direction where I think research should be going.znorehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09870745426523284218noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6600594361812328513.post-11710223706420832602014-04-10T15:59:23.985-07:002014-04-10T15:59:23.985-07:00I only skipped this one, after the quote from Denn...I only skipped this one, after the quote from Dennis McKenna I felt too exasperated - either he's very naive or he's being disingenuous by suggesting that the intrigue and manipulation would at such an obvious level. I haven't read Jan's stuff and it may well be that he's drawing too literal, simplistic a picture (likely), deliberately or otherwise. Conspiracy/espionage research can be so overwhelming when the extent if it begins to be seen that the temptation to take refuge in absolutism ("It's all a Plot!") is near-irresistible, because the alternative is to try and understand and convey every nuance and intricacy, which would require the sort of wisdom that not even the manipulators themselves possess (as individuals at least).<br /><br />For the record, I found the refutation of Irvin's contention about McKenna wholly unconvincing, and the idea that TM might joke about something while at the same time be admitting to it went unexplored, even tho, as we've seen most recently in the case of Jimmy Savile, it is not uncommon for undercover agents to want to brag about their power. But whether or not TM or anyone was a knowing agent of this or that agency or agenda is less important than how they may have been used by same. And McKenna, like Huxley, like Leary, like Manson, certainly seems to have been useful.<br /><br />Regarding this comment: <em>If, as according to Irvin and Atwill, the hippies were "manufactured" in order to transform culture then why would TPTB try to bring down their own creation just a couple of years after it gained mainstream attention?</em><br /><br />No offense but this is a bit like an amateur chess player wonder why a chess master went ahead and moved his knight in such a silly way that he lost it, and then three moves later took his opponent's queen. I don't think conspiracy theories ever make sense if you try and understand them within the terms laid down by ordinary social awareness and in the context of a few years, or even decades. The way that works for me is to look at them through a psychological lens, as I suggested earlier about the "good cop/bad cop" routine being used collectively. The same principles that work on individuals (eg, Stockholm syndrome) may also be applied to groups of people, and entire nations.<br />Lloyd deMause writes about how a period of liberation leads one of social restriction, and vice versa, and understanding this principle and knowing how to manipulate it may be behind a great many of the events and movements being shaped, which leaves plenty of room for the supposed random element to give them the flavor of the spontaneous and authentic, as the counterculture had. But as long as the general overall outcome, psychologically, is the same, then the Powers That Be, like the master chess player, are ready with their next move, and so on.<br /><br />As to it being malign or not, I think it's best to approach that question as if we were talking about human beings somewhat like ourselves, with conscious desires underneath which work unconscious drives, the latter being what determines the outcome of their plans and agendas. The nostalgia for ancient Greece for example, may be sourced in the desire to have sex with children, and all the master plans of the elite may be directed towards this single personal end, and everything it entails. For example. At the very least, it brings the octopus down to manageable proportions.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6600594361812328513.post-77900321296439604132014-03-02T13:29:13.451-08:002014-03-02T13:29:13.451-08:00Having dropped with some folks at Sensei, I can sp...Having dropped with some folks at Sensei, I can speak experienced. Can I speak enlightened, yes. Is the psy of the 60'70'80' important for the planet and gnosis me thinks, hell yes. Laurel canyon had it going on? No more than some hippies from Oregon. The walls melt for a reason, bring the problematic ego to some sense of community and life force. Shine forth by day. DennisDennis/87https://www.blogger.com/profile/03703473570098929681noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6600594361812328513.post-10398989092227310612014-02-26T18:25:08.591-08:002014-02-26T18:25:08.591-08:00This actually makes some sense. If nothing else it...This actually makes some sense. If nothing else it provides an out for Jan. At some future point he could announce, "Ah, you finally got it. Welcome to the Higher Mysteries, my grasshoppers." Presumably, if this were the case, he would only make such an announcement after we cracked the code, after the psychedelic movement dejockified and smartened up once more. We may all be a part of psychedelic sage Jan's grand strategy for universal awakening.znorehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09870745426523284218noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6600594361812328513.post-85353510771864882082014-02-26T07:28:03.467-08:002014-02-26T07:28:03.467-08:00The mechanics of Jan Irvin are genius the more I t...The mechanics of Jan Irvin are genius the more I think about it. An academic psychedelic head who provides all the answers simply breeds a horde of followers; an academic psychedelic head who provides the wrong answers breeds a horde of students, challengers to the conclusions that don't add up. <br /><br />I'm not sure if my timeline is correct, but Jan's work seems to have changed right around the time he was courted by Joe Rogan and appeared on his podcast. If you listen to that show (I am only aware of one appearance) it is a disaster. If I were Jan I would have walked away from that show feeling sick to my stomach, and I would have been very afraid at the Nu-Psychedelic army represented by Rogan's schtick. I can see Jan coming to a few frightening conclusions after that….wklaus23https://www.blogger.com/profile/02428620309284261667noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6600594361812328513.post-7146015525186260822014-02-25T17:55:47.899-08:002014-02-25T17:55:47.899-08:00I totally agree. Whatever game Jan is or is not pl...I totally agree. Whatever game Jan is or is not playing he is making us all think. Any attempt to squeeze reality into a simplified system, and the Timewave is also this, will always provoke a reexamination of complexity. And there's also that famous proverb from Hell: "Opposition is true friendship."znorehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09870745426523284218noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6600594361812328513.post-10469874455760590932014-02-25T16:45:47.917-08:002014-02-25T16:45:47.917-08:00I still believe there is a small chance that Jan i...I still believe there is a small chance that Jan is playing a very complicated game, and/or is himself being financed by a very wealthy and cunning organization to essentially play a role, a role we haven't seen in a very long time. I think Irvin's character challenges us to do a few things: stop preaching to the choir, stop settling for the "it's all good" mentality, and to preemptively dissect antagonistic viewpoints before they manifest with full force. The one thing he gets absolutely correct is the existence of a psychedelic elite; McKenna even noted that the people in his lectures belong in such a category, based on education (access to books pre-internet), economic status, nutrition, set and setting, and availability of psychedelics. An elite is still an elite. That being said, the character he is playing is a baffling dichotomy of scholastic accomplishment and absurd conclusion. I think this mirrors those that flip enantiodromia style against psychedelics, psychedelic thinking, and those who crawl back to Faith in Religion (imagine if a Joe Rogan type had twice the audience and found Jesus, born again? How many could he bring with him? It happened to Larry Flynt and Bob Dylan). All in all the world is certainly better with Jan Irvin in it because, oddly enough, like Crowley, he is arguing for a stricter examination of the whole picture. Some of his conclusions are baffling, but he puts the most importance in how you get there…...wklaus23https://www.blogger.com/profile/02428620309284261667noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6600594361812328513.post-89703213423998852332014-02-24T17:43:24.129-08:002014-02-24T17:43:24.129-08:00Jan, at least, has definitely been "experienc...Jan, at least, has definitely been "experienced." This is why his current position is all the more fascinating.znorehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09870745426523284218noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6600594361812328513.post-12223377838792510482014-02-24T11:53:47.831-08:002014-02-24T11:53:47.831-08:00As I read your highly informative and entertaining...As I read your highly informative and entertaining post, it made me increasingly curious (curiouser & curiouser! – Alice) as to whether Joe Atwill or Jan Irvin ever “dropped?” As that other nefarious CIA operative of the sixties, Ken Kesey used to say…<br /><br />“You’re either on the bus… or yer off the bus.”<br /><br />- CheersJack Hearthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07601886076987129483noreply@blogger.com